Welcome to the federated wiki hangout for November 11, 2014
On today's call
- Ward (in Oregon)
- Per (in Finland)
- David (in Toronto)
- Paul (in the UK)
David started talking about dissertation writing on Mashups
- QEDWiki
IBM Damia had boxes and pipes
Ward instead had an idea of pages coming into an address space
- Looking to the left, to pull data forward, and creating a left to right flow
- Can hop over pages, but generally, the flow of information is left to right
- Could do a lot with that
- Choices: could see as menu picking, but there's a dynamic model
Original model is command line
- Pipeline programs
- Interpreters
Hope to have a strong end user community in federated wiki
- Mike Caulfield tends to write text
- Michael Mahaffy, it's all about calculations
Clay Shirky's article on situated software http://www.shirky.com/writings/situated_software.html
Ward's metabolic calculator http://fed.wiki.org/view/metabolic-equivalent-of-task/view/metabolic-calculator
- Two parts: data set, and Javascript program on metabolic calculator
- Uppercase letters are commands
- Connection is made in the browser
Federated wiki more as platform, which has slowed growth
- In retrospect, had written principles for Splash
Taoism and waiting for nature
Competitive open standards?
- In early days, industry was making add-on disk drives, and IBM made the interface open
- Strategic
- Played over and over
Microsoft opened up .NET today
- .NET is more open than Java, when Oracle is involved?
David's next case is writing up OpenOffice through the IBM involvement to Apache
Mike Caulfield is now writing a daily journal in federated wiki http://journal14.hapgood.net:3000/journal-for-2014.html
- It's like a blog post that isn't finished: he could use this content for later blog posts
Code shift last week?
- Released the Express 4 version
- Opens door for more work on the server
In issues, suggestions of a lot of things to be done
- Testing server found client side bugs, too
Some things disappeared, or we never really had it?
- Being able to revert to an earlier version of a page? Can't remember if this worked on the node version, at least a year ago, probably was the Sinatra version
Machinery is to take a whole page, and write it
- Was looking at this when it was in browser local storage, and wanted to fork it back onto host
Local databases: anything supported by HTML5 still has cross-browser issues
- Use Couchbase to sync in the background?
- Then would have a shared local storage?
If hosted by a farm, would expect to be able to move things across the farm
- Mike Caulfield is hosting a farm
- Sign into a farm, and then have pages served at the farm level?
Mechanism to do cross-origin reads, but haven't done cross-origin writes
- Log into any federated wiki, and then be able to move across origin sites
- More "home" than "origin"
- WebID and some data to associate self
- If something in the wrong place, and it's not convenient to go from wrong to right place, could be nice to have a cache somewhere
- Command line cp (!)
Mike Caulfield has a friend hosting
- A version of federated wiki that checks every 10 minutes, and checks into Github
- Then a student can take his work with him
Underdevelop support for wiki farms?
- Want to make sure that what you want to do could be spread over 100 servers.
- Industry is going the other way
Federated wiki in a mobile world?
- On a tablet, wouldn't be doing much writing
- Could we better support downloading a readable version of federated wiki?
Federated wiki as a static site?
- If was reading on a tablet, could there be a "download this wiki site" onto the tablet?
Archive.org does save fed.wiki.org
- Behavior is the same as when Javascript is turned off in browser
Should subscribe to the key repos
- wiki-client
- wiki-node
There's a query to find who's writing where
Look at issues in Github
- Maybe 40% gets done ... and 60% in the long term
Original Smallest Federated Wiki had speculative issues
- More likely to get response, as more people follow that
Otherwise, fixes are in the repos
How to do put a plain HTML access URL into wiki?
- Follows wiki conventions with single and double square brackets
- Crawler friendly? Single page? At the bottom of each page is a link to the page name, can use it for a friendly link address
- If Javascript is turned on, then the multiple panes show up; otherwise it's a single pane
Paul is working on CouchDB
Embrace Docker?
- Had that with Ruby version
-- call ended --
Here's the transcript from the Google Hangout chat
me
13:00
I've started an Etherpad at http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-12
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me
13:09
I've started an Etherpad at http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-12
Ward Cunningham
13:15
http://fed.wiki.org/view/metabolic-equivalent-of-task/view/metabolic-calculator
Original wiki was about creating a pattern literature of programming.
Federated wiki is more a platform and that has slowed its growth.
http://splash.fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/splash-2014/view/federated-wiki-design-principles
Journal for 2014
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Ward Cunningham
13:28
http://journal14.hapgood.net:3000/journal-for-2014.html
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me
13:38
I've started an Etherpad at http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-12
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Ward Cunningham
13:46
http://ward.federatedwiki.org/own-a-space.html
Per Johansson
13:48
Good night all.
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David Barbour
13:54
No mike, sorry.
KS
me
13:54
I've started an Etherpad at http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-12
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David Barbour
13:59
Speaking of archive, would it be possible to add a plain-HTML access URL?
Ah, sorry. Meant for supporting crawl-friendly version of site.
Ward Cunningham
14:01
http://code.fed.wiki.org/coding-portfolio.html
David Barbour
14:02
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://code.fed.wiki.org/coding-portfolio.html - nothing
Bye
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